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Presumably because (generally speaking) the FSSP priests avoid directly criticizing the dangers inherent in the new Mass and the Council (as Voris once did) as well as the words and deeds of the pope. Wigratzbad Seminary A home then is not a sum of commands or rules given by a father or mother. That Heresy being Modernism itself. If the Holy Ghost impressed them, that means He is always ready to stir up their consequences a renewed and invigored faith, courage to tackle the obstacles that challenge its practice, be it in our own soul or in the world, for the love of God and neighbor in the imitation of Christ. We would like to express our deepest gratitude to Fr. Regardless of how we categorize the post-conciliar popes, the Traditional movement is best served by sticking together. This is the SSPX argument with respect to supplied jurisdiction. Hopefully, if they no longer agree with the direction of the SSPX they havent remained to poison the well as it were. The FSSP superiors have already been notified: http://www.churchmilitant.com/news/article/fr.-john-emerson-fssp-on-his-break-from-the-sspx Will the FSSP leaders act? Sure, we believe in what the Church proposes for us to believe because it comes from Jesus Christ, but that needs to penetrate more deeply and be pulled in from its ethereal orbit around our souls. NEWS & ADVICE. Tacoma, WA I suppose they have a natural virtue and would follow every rule even if they were protestants. Mr. Matt also says that St. *** Dwelling in their castle of self-righteousness, they are blinded & cannot see that courageous Catholics like yourself will risk all to protect another Catholic from experiencing degradation at the hands of a wolf in sheeps clothing. Your rash judgement I hope is based on ignorance and not malice. Lol.it wont be happening my friend. This side of eternity, there will always be a certain obscurity to Faith because God wishes that we walk in trust of Him; He wants to lead us because our sanctification is His work with our cooperation. FSSP Events Ive recently come across many of his sermons online and found them to be quite useful. South Bend, IN Is there no one out there who can challenge poikolby and rich, and others here who detract from the reputations of these men, and from the reputation of the FSSP but me? The repeated and on going links between the FSSP and many of these attacks on Catholics in the SSPX coming from Voris and many other matters is a MANIFESTLY PROVABLE FACT. Father Gerard Saguto, F.S.S.P. This is part of a much longer and laborious dissertation on obedience that has all the markings of an Epistle from Terry Carroll to Ferndale. Voris then goes on to quote (without attribution) Fr. The suit states Father Bouchard's accuser submitted a handwritten note to the diocese on Sept. 26, 2018, alleging that Father Bouchard "asked him to undress and made inappropriate sexual . Stay away. I dont say any of this as a criticism of those attending and supporting SSPX chapels, or even their clergy, which also includes some fine priests. But thats definitely not the position of the SSPX. I dont know what it means to be disobedient to the Pope even when doing so would help to save souls. What would such an occasion look like for me as a layman? Wolfe (as many on the ground have informed me and will likely attest here in the comment section) adopted a rather personal, and some would say unhealthy, animosity toward the SSPX. Having said that, it is a bit disappointing having come to the knowledge that full disclosure on this site has given, to know that Fr. ******** Wolfe. The Fraternity is known for celebrating the Mass and sacraments in Latin in what is known as the Extraordinary Form of the Roman Rite, following the liturgical books that were in place in 1962, prior to the liturgical reforms of the Second Vatican Council. Nevertheless, his blog, writing style, and persona seemed to be totally different to me from that day forward. I hope for the sake of the salvation of souls and the good of the Church that the whole story is known. As our Lord taught, governed, and sanctified by His physical Body that He took of our Lady overshadowed by the Holy Ghost, so He continues to do now with His Mystical Body, the Church, overshadowed by the Holy Ghost on Pentecost. Joliet, IL The greatest hurdle faced by the children of the Church in this case is coming to terms with the fact this is even possible, which one can do by applying their intellect to the situation in the light of faith, at which point the picture will become clear: Those who cling to the clarity dispensed by the Church before the Council cannot possibly be on anything other than solid ground, while those who accept the conciliar compromises are at risk of losing the faith. Will the FSSP issue a public statement in support of the SSPX and debunk the schism myth? Fort Myers, FL Minneapolis, MN I want news I can use, and information about my beloved Church that either furthers my knowledge about her, or warns me about those who want to destroy her. That is why the status of the SSPX is, at this time, technically an internal matter. Once there is a formal declaration of schism, it changes the rules of engagement from an internal to an external matter. John 10:11], http://remnantnewspaper.com/web/index.php/articles/item/1870-will-you-die-for-him-a-sermon-on-the-eve-of-persecution-in-america, (3) SSPX now that it is wanting to be in full communion w/heretics is pretty silent itself. This is the will of God, your sanctification (1 Thess 4:3). Wolfe. Houston, TX Wolfe to begin attacking the SSPX, and that posture only heightened following the election of Pope Francis. Im happy to let people know what led me to the place where I currently stand. ARCHDIOCESE OF ST. PAUL & MPLS. Gerard Saguto, FSSP. Yes Archbishop Lefebvre wouldnt be disobedient unless it was to protect the Faith. I'm not there often just because of distance and time of day on my bike. The pope has no authority to bind anyone to that which goes against the Catholic faith. I will not take it any further than that here, with respect to Louies request to engage in sedevacantist disussions at length not here, but in the forums. every single SSPX priest and bishop is committing a mortal sin when he offers Mass. Theres an old definition of fanatic as someone who can change neither his mind, nor the subject. First of all everything said about Fr. This argument is fair enough; objective reality isnt subject to legal pronouncements. Furthermore, I do agree that Louies blog and the comments that follow are an excellent vehicle for enlightenment during these dark times. Will the FSSP issue a public statement rebuking Voris and CMTV? Dear Alarico, Either one is a Catholic or a heretic. That constancy, Father Saguto said, is important in a world where constant change is the norm. Orlando, FL In any case, only an idiot (willing or otherwise) would equate every request that comes forth from the lips of a pope with the will of the Father. I give you credit. The schismatic Orthodox bishops and priests are validly ordained too. Saguto, FSSP in the recording. Father Wolfe FSSP is the Priest the sermon is linked at the end of this blog: Liturgical Guides to the Seasons I wish I could make your comment flash in bright colors. Fr. Nothing more and probably less. 777 Forest St., St. Paul, MN 55106 I understand there is a diabolical disorientation going on, which is difficult for many priests to recover from, but devotion to the divine mercy chaplet only exacerbates the disorientation, I have noted. Don't forget to buy yourself a copy here! Fr. In charity, I pray that every Catholic should be as blessed. Barbara ChurchMilitant and M. Voris started this. Phoenix, AZ The problems with the FSSP are doctrinal: Just because theyre traditional in teaching and praxis doesnt mean theyll always be prudent in every respect. This reality does in fact place the FSSP under the standard of Satan objectively. That said, no Catholic at any time ought ever to turn their back on another Catholic. They prefer the Traditional Mass for sure but they are not going to cause any scandal to other Catholics by being disobedient to the Pope even when doing so would help to save souls. Most noteworthy here is his utterly preposterous assertion that the SSPX came about in response to some amorphous weakening of the Church.. 4th group SSPX canonically founded by Archbishop Marcel Lefebvre in 1970. Saguto FSSP on Saturday, October 7, 2017. If I found myself in a place where only an SSPX or Norvus Ordo were available, I would choose the SSPX, hands down, and I would know it was valid thanks to Fr. hi, Servant of Our Lady, For once youre ranting, raving & complaining about something other than us evil sedevacantists! However, there are a couple of ways to regain perspective and renew vigor. . Im pretty much thinking the same thing. She looks forward to any opportunities she may have to care for the beautiful families in this community! The archdioceses Office of Ministerial Standards brought the information related to Father Saguto to law enforcement, and law enforcement has advised us that they are not initiating a criminal investigation, the archbishop said. FSSP Events http://www.traditioninaction.org/HotTopics/f072_DivMercy.htm. No need to be so defensive i wrote a short paragraph to explain things to people who read the blog and comments. Even Pope St. Pius X refrained from making that kind of judgment against the modernists, even as he condemned them with great force in Pascendi. We start to get sloppy; our fallen tendency to search out the path of least resistance becomes more insistent. I think that for piety, for love of Our Lord, and for love of the Holy Father (no matter how bad he is), we ought to publicly resist his errors based on the previous Popes throughout history. It has been my experience time and again that fellow Trads, who later support the sedevacantist position, want nothing to do with family or friends who do not take this position. I didnt see you mention (granted -perhaps I missed it?) Many faithful Catholics couldnt take it anymore, so to speak, and simply left. The Holy See, FSSP Apostolates It can happen from a negative event; that is, when someone or something becomes threatened in such a way that forces us to look at it with the attention it deserves. Search. Minneapolis, MN The Missive. Calumny is a sin where one tells a lie with the intention of harming the reputation of another. The heartfelt acknowledgment of potential loss is a sure-fire way of checking contempt and correcting things. Our Lady of Guadalupe Seminary We covered this recently enough, so I wont go into more detail here. Pequannock, NJ Barbara, He pretends he never believed anything other than what he spews today. That doesnt make them schismatic; rather, it makes the pope guilty of abusing his authority. All rights reserved. Many excellent leaders in the Church, good holy men and women, recognize the exact same problems, but they havent left. In an effort to hold on to whatever they could of the Faith, they ran straight into the arms of groups like the SSPX, as well as others. And Taylor was hardly the only former staffer to have concerns about how the college was run. With all this being said, I think we all, myself included are inclined to take ourselves entirely too seriously. Oklahoma City, OK Saguto was removed for violating rules about not being alone with a minor apparently. The college (despite having some good faculty and staff) was on track to die either way, and that cannot be laid all at the feet of the bishop, or the FSSP at Mater Dei. I got news for all of us here. This is my weak attempt at trying to make things easier for new readers etc to understand the different positions. Richmond, VA For the person who knows that the Council is a grave danger to the faith, they have no problem advising against them allowing themselves (and their kids) to be formed in an FSSP parish since we have an obligation to engage those things that threaten to lead us away from the faith. It was also taken in response to related concerns that Father Saguto had failed to observe the safe environment protocols of the Archdiocese of St. Paul and Minneapolis for interaction with minors (e.g. Paul has been designing and carving ecclesiastical interiors for the past several years. 5th group SSPX RESISTENCE 2012/2013 these are mostly priests that belong to the SSPX. For any layman to take up this duty is a very serious matter. It comes through the contemplation and study of believers who ponder these things in their hearts. I assume, perhaps wrongly, that anyone who engages in any way with the Dimonds espouses their stance against Church teaching on BOD and BOB & other things I'll not mention here but you know what they are , I hope. Very dear and close friends, who fought side by side with me and my family to defend the Catholic faith, have literally turned their backs on us and pretend they never even knew us. Detraction is a sin where one reveals the true and secret fault of another without a good reason. Lastly it is with Father Paul Nicholson, Father Nicholsons Bishop and opus dei. All of us have a duties as Catholics. I have spoken to/communicated with exactly two FSSP priests in my life. Fraternity Publications Saskatoon, SK If there is a so-called "schism" next month, that will affect the Modernist Sect which occupies diocesan parishes everywhere only. Ottawa, ON Saguto, Fr. Don't forget to buy yourself a copy here! IMHO that, along with Verrecchios exhilarating writing style make this site what is-a meeting place to ignite the thinking process. The evidence is all around us. And then theres Archbishop Lefebvre, who was more than willing to work within diocesan and canonical frameworks when he erected the SSPX, and asked for nothing more than that when he met with Paul VI. It was simply too painful for many lay people to take. Why did the SSPX priest so advise certain persons? His first Mass in Seattle will be on Sunday, October 5th and it will be a sung Mass. Voris- shmoriswho cares? The second item is that the correction is desired, and the recipient is open to the correction. I dont follow Mr. Voris. Maple Hill, KS The very word sedevacantist is almost considered profanity. Getting information out of Poland was very difficult for a long time. So does the Church. Berg celebrated a Low Mass at 6:30 a.m. that Saturday morning in the SEAS Chapel. The worst criticism of the SSPX sure comes from the Novus Ordo Traditionalists. On behalf of all of the members of the Priestly Fraternity of Saint Peter, the Superior General and his Council would like to express their great thanks to Fr. Increasingly, Voriss obsession (which apparently is driven in some way by his backers, Mr. Carroll and Fr. Beloved husband of Marie (nee Corallo). Richard M, Father John Marcus Berg, F.S.S.P. Then I would place bells and whistles around the comment! Listening to audio sancto raised much concern for me a long, long ago. but they have an interesting video which I have linked to several times (not sure anyone has watched it), but they make a point re: +Wmson thinking that Ratzinger is a good person. There are some very holy FSSP priests who truly care about the souls of their parishioners. There are those whod love to discredit stories like yours, bc of their own prejudices & preferences while at the same time having a holier than though attitude that would put a Holy Roller Southern Baptist to shame. We are truly living in a period of disorientation. But for the Presidents creativity, the College would have failed two years before it did. Unfortunately, it is about to go the way of The DuMont Television Network, which was more entertaining. Only God can do that. Providence, RI Thanks to their refusal to travel with so many others in the direction of heterodoxy on a road that is paved with the ambiguities and errors of Vatican II and the protestantized rite that grew out of it, the sinful men running the show in Rome, the pope included, are seeing to it that the SSPX is denied formal jurisdiction. Gruner was yet, so I looked past it in ignorance. This is true. Joseph Terra (hes the FSSP priest who was badly beaten in the attack in Phoenix that killed Fr. Please keep all those involved in this situation in your prayers.. And whatever Kings responsibility (or lack thereof) for that, you can hardly blame Olson of the Mater Dei priests for that state of affairs. MEMORIALS. We really have no idea what pressure these FSSP priests are under. Youll note CMTV covered that school in an on-site special just as loyalties were pulling at its seams. In the event that a request were made in the future, the present restrictions on Father Sagutos ministry could only be lifted after our normal review process, which would have to include a recommendation from the Ministerial Review Board of the Archdiocese of St. Paul and Minneapolis, Archbishop Hebda added. And yet magically, come midnight Dec. 8, 2015, zilch will, according to the pope, turn into the jurisdiction necessary to validly and licitly hear confessions and offer absolution. Terry is a parishioner at Mater Dei parish, run by the FSSP, in Irving, TX. Well, I suppose I am one of them, then though I would characterize myself as more than prefer since I exclusively attend the TLM (save for an occasional Melkite liturgy, I suppose), either through an Ecclesia Dei society or diocesan priest, depending on where I am. Most professed Novus Ordites and, indeed, any who recognise in a Heresiarch a pope, live in a sort of miasma where evidence does not rule the position, the position rules the evidence. Unfortunately Voris has much in common with the SSPX in this way. FUNERAL HOMES. 3 options 1. Bergoglio [as he likes to call himself] doesnt understand Tradition. All in mortal sin? They dont a one-size-fits-all approach to this topic. Denton, NE (Seminary) I think, as does Michael Matt, that the FSSP priests each have their own reasons for their actions in these dangerous times as they attempt to carry out their duties of saving souls. Sometimes we are trite, blunt, even silly. For example, was the will of the Father being expressed when Pope Alexander VI turned to one of his females friends and requested Well, you get the point. Let Voris live in his blissful world. Youngstown, OH. Rather, a home is ultimately an interaction between personalities that are supposed to be loving each other spouses, parents, children, siblings, grandparents. The threats certainly have increased in intensity in recent years; even the lukewarm Christian can sense this and perhaps feels the need to join in the resistance and push back. There is enough hurt going around from anti-Catholics both outside and inside the Church, without throwing daggers at each other. In exercising one of mine here, it must be said that the Dimond Bros. teach against several Sent.certa teachings of Holy Mother Church. In allowing myself and others to comment even though louie most probably disagrees with certain things (speaking for myself) shows that louie has great charity and isnt controlled by anyone. In a Nov. 15 statement, Archbishop Bernard Hebda said the recall of Father Gerard Saguto, FSSP, "was taken in response to an issue that had surfaced in trauma counseling undertaken voluntarily by Father Saguto and brought by him to the attention of his superiors. Will the FSSP tell Voris PUBLICLY that he does not have permission to use FSSP sermons in his attacks on other Catholics in print or in audio and that his view that the SSPX is in schism is not the OFFICIAL position of the FSSP? We are semi-contemplative Marian Sisters, which means that, while we pray the full Divine Office in common and have 1-1/2 hour of mental prayer each day, we also . A great film and you posted it on St. Joseph of Cupertinos feast day! Lincoln, NE I too have been guilty of using the combox to lay off my personal frustrations, and I have also used uncharitable language. And yes, most especially under the duress we all endure. Fraternity Publications Honestly, we all need to be quite compassionate towards one another and realize that we know nothing about each other except that we love the Faith. Brookville, IN Hi, my2cents, This is a defense of the SSPX not an attack on FSSP or Father Wolfe, personally. There is a way to point out the faults of others. http://theradicalcatholic.blogspot.com/2015/09/vortex-of-plagiarism.html. Christ asks His Apostles. This is a very short description and in no way represents all the opinions of these groups listed. (4) What you all may be missing and maybe why Voris is really hitting this now, is that FSSP doesnt have a bishop, but if perverse Fairy Whore(hey!) Joliet, IL What they ultimately have lacked, though, is a real sense of contact, intrigue, and love with a Person. The upcoming Synod will be a real evil. With respect, atttempts to moderate commmenters on this site have been undertaken by other commenters here before, going back years. This is rich: Voris mentioning those who dont really know very much at all about the SSPX as he gets even the most basic facts completely wrong. As dysfunctional as the Church can be in her human element and she is it is perfect love of Christ Crucified, our Eternal Contemporary as Ven. Apr 20, 2020. The FSSP offers the Mass according to the form that was in use prior to the liturgical reforms of the Second Vatican Council in the 1960s. I am really sorry that I ever recommended them to anyone ever- which, sadly, I did. Perhaps, I should chose my words more carefully. Dear DeMaria and my2cents, This is sophomoric at best. The state police had executed a search warrant that day at the parish and arrested Father Jackson after determining that he was the owner of large amounts of child sex abuse material found on an external hard drive in an office area near his bedroom, an affidavit states. He refuses to engage the people he criticizes directly. When making comments please consider that there is a tsunami of baptized Catholics following us who dont have the foggiest idea of what is going on in the Church, and that popular blogs no matter what their angle may be the platform they have to grasp the issues. If I NEVER run into another one again I will consider myself blessed. Father John Marcus Berg, F.S.S.P. His Vortexellency has no authority to make this subjective determination as to willful intent. Another is the fallen-nature blindness that affects us all and inclines us to take for granted things that we are used to: be it a spouse, family, friends, health, employment, position, or other things. Wolfe: Schism is not something that comes into being by a legal declaration. If Catholics do not like these attacks on the SSPX your beef is with the FSSP and its superiors. This gossip fest is now less scintillating than a junior high school girl spat in the Bronx after a game of Double Dutch. We have not yet seen Justice in the Fisher Moore College scandal. On the local level, a dust up ensued between the SSPX and the FSSP, or more appropriately, between individual persons associated with each as, apparently, a priest of the Society had advised people to avoid the FSSP and it got back to Fr. But everyone one who has signed off on VII by professing obedience to it and its heresiarchs is outside the Church. I really appreciate the space provided here in regards to the excellent content being discussed. Post Falls, ID Richmond, VA +Wmson is therefore blind himself imagine St. John the Baptist (or Jesus) stating that the high priests, scribes and pharisees were good people . 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